00;00;03;23 – 00;00;31;26

Lauren Brollier Newton

Welcome to the abundant coach. I’m your host, Lauren Brollier Newton. This is a weekly podcast about creating full spectrum success with a thriving coaching business, while making a profound difference in the world. Each week, you’ll discover insights, strategies, and inspiration to help you attract your ideal clients. Facilitate real transformation in their lives, and grow your coaching business while living your purpose with true freedom and fulfillment.

 

00;00;31;28 – 00;01;01;27

Lauren Brollier Newton

Well, welcome back to the Abundant Coach podcast. I am thrilled for this because we have such a good one for you today. I am a huge fan of this person’s work, and I just feel very, very giddy about the opportunity to interview him. So Dawson Church is an award winning science writer. He has three bestselling books The Genie in Your Genes, which was the first book to demonstrate that emotions drive gene expression, mind to matter, which has been something that I’ve read many, many, many times.

 

00;01;01;27 – 00;01;27;03

Lauren Brollier Newton

I’ve marked up to ask a few questions about that today, so I’m excited about that. And then he also has Bliss Brain, and that demonstrates that peak mental states rapidly remodel the brain for happiness. So Dawson also founded the Veterans Stress Solution, which is offered free treatment to over 22,000 veterans with PTSD. And he’s created groundbreaking research, which has been published in some of the most prestigious scientific journals.

 

00;01;27;05 – 00;01;41;18

Lauren Brollier Newton

So he shares a lot about how to apply these breakthroughs through EFT universe.com one of the most visited alternative healing sites on the whole entire web. Dawson, thank you so much for being here today and making the time to be on the Abundance Coach.

 

00;01;41;20 – 00;01;50;13

Dawson Church

Oh Lord, what a joy! It’s just great to share these ideas and see how they’re catching on right now, and inspiring people and motivating them to new heights in their lives. So thanks for having me.

 

00;01;50;20 – 00;02;03;16

Lauren Brollier Newton

I love that I have so many questions for you. As I mentioned. So I’m going to dive right in. And, if we don’t get to all the questions, you’ll have to come back. I’m already inviting.

 

00;02;03;19 – 00;02;09;02

Dawson Church

So I guarantee we will not get to all the questions on,

 

00;02;09;04 – 00;02;19;16

Lauren Brollier Newton

I would love to hear how you got interested in the brain as it applies to energy medicine. Tell me a little bit about just how did where did your interest spark on this?

 

00;02;19;19 – 00;02;47;28

Dawson Church

But my house burned down. Wow. That’s burned down in a wildfire. And after the wildfire, we were just in chaos. It was very sudden. My wife woke me up in the middle of the night. My alarm clock was blinking. 12:45 a.m. I right outside? And I saw this wildfire sweeping toward our our home, and we just had time to grab our car keys and run to the car before the fire consumed everything.

 

00;02;48;00 – 00;03;08;06

Dawson Church

And that was in 2017. And that ticked off two years. Just total dislocation because we literally lost absolutely everything we had. We got photographs of our house the next day from a friend who snuck in past the National Guard, and there was this, a concrete slab pile of ash and a chimney sticking up where the house had been.

 

00;03;08;11 – 00;03;34;21

Dawson Church

The office was the same way. Everything had been destroyed on our property. 5000 homes burned. That night. It was just a devastating experience for the whole of Northern California. And so, we we then were using all of the tools we’ve been practicing and teaching for the last many decades. So I was doing EFT tapping. I was grounding myself.

 

00;03;34;23 – 00;03;58;15

Dawson Church

I was meditating every day. And in the ensuing year, I began to realize that, I was incredibly happy. I was happy despite the fact we’d lost all our possessions. Right. That kicked off, you know, losing our business, losing that building burned down. Our business just totally tanked. We lost all our our life savings in the following year.

 

00;03;58;15 – 00;04;23;18

Dawson Church

I mean, everything just just went went south very, very rapidly. And yet there I was, sitting in meditation every morning, feeling fantastic, getting prosperous, feeling joyful. And I began to think, I need to do some really deep digging into the neurochemicals that are getting let loose in the brain by meditation. And so the main one is called anandamide, and it has the same chemical structure as THC, which is the lead to marijuana.

 

00;04;23;18 – 00;04;52;08

Dawson Church

And it does with these receptors in your brains. And you feel wonderful. And so that’s why, you know, these these people who meditate, these people have really taken care of their own spiritual and mental well-being based adversity and are resilient. And that’s really what made me look take a deep look into these neurochemicals, how they shape our brain, train our brain, we structure the anatomy of our brain and what goes on and allow us to cope with even just extreme loss in this, with a sense of equanimity.

 

00;04;52;10 – 00;05;09;23

Dawson Church

And I mean, it’s not not easy to, to to lose all the stuff and to have these, this turmoil. But, you know, you have this, this baseline of resiliency in the brain. And that’s what what really made me start thinking about how to share this with people. You don’t have to have a perfect life to be happy, even in really difficult circumstances.

 

00;05;09;25 – 00;05;13;29

Dawson Church

If you’re resilient, you are able to handle them right.

 

00;05;13;29 – 00;05;31;11

Lauren Brollier Newton

Wow, that is so fascinating. So this reminds me a little bit of my own origin story because I didn’t suffer from, of course, losing my house in a fire. But I met Mary Morrissey in the Brave Thinking Institute when I was going through what I would call like a very traumatizing divorce. I always called it a surprise divorce.

 

00;05;31;11 – 00;05;52;19

Lauren Brollier Newton

I didn’t expect to get divorce. I didn’t expect to have an unfaithful spouse or anything like that. But that next year my life was the most cathartic transformative because I was getting interested in a vision and getting interested in what my mind did and reprograming my thoughts. And people often ask me like, how did you survive that? I’m like, I got really interested in my thinking.

 

00;05;52;21 – 00;06;04;11

Lauren Brollier Newton

And so this verifies, that when we’re working with our brain, even in the most traumatic circumstances in our lives, we can be extremely happy and in fact, maybe the happiest we’ve ever been.

 

00;06;04;14 – 00;06;32;13

Dawson Church

It’s really remarkable to find yourself that way. And the traditional psychotherapy and the British way of looking at that life says that, well, you amass these things, you develop a career, money, respect people around you, and then you meet these skills and you’re happy. And what you discover is that, well, first of all, if you read history, many of the happiest people in the in history weren’t advantaged in any of those ways.

 

00;06;32;17 – 00;06;58;08

Dawson Church

Saint Francis of Assisi gave up all of his possessions, and yet he have these states of bliss. If you read about some of Siena or read the poetry of Rumi, read Mary Oliver, and you find that there are these people in ecstatic states and they often don’t do anything. So, how do we move to that point of this engaging our inner state of happiness from what’s going on outside of ourselves?

 

00;06;58;10 – 00;07;17;03

Dawson Church

It is so powerful when you do. And then, in the words of Rudyard Kipling, you meet with success or failure and treat those two impostors just the same. So they’re these pinnacles of success. There are these pinnacles of these, these abysses of failure, and yet you are just you all the way through and you have complete control of your happiness.

 

00;07;17;09 – 00;07;35;13

Dawson Church

I know I’m working with one friend right now and and giving her a little bit of, some recommendations. And one of the analogies I use is the TV remote control. So you sit there on your couch, you have the remote control in your hand, you switch channels, and I want the remote control of my happiness in my own hands.

 

00;07;35;15 – 00;07;55;21

Dawson Church

And she’s in the habit of doing. She’s in the habit of giving that to other people, saying, okay, you push the buttons and make me happy. That’s like, no, don’t don’t do that. You you clutch your, your remote control tightly in your own hands and push your own patterns, make your own selections, and you can radically shift your life and mine to better shows.

 

00;07;55;21 – 00;08;23;23

Dawson Church

And when we do that internally, when we make that that choice internally in our own mind, first the mind volition choice, but then it rapidly starts to shift the structure of the anatomy of our brain and structures like the, the network that handles attention, grow, pay attention, and the attention network gets bigger. If you have compassion for other people and yourself, the compassion network starts to get bigger.

 

00;08;24;00 – 00;08;46;19

Dawson Church

If you regulate emotion, the emotion regulation network expands to grow. So you do these things. You’re you’re taking control of your mind. It changes your brain anatomically. And then your world around you starts to change. And what mind shows is the world around us. We think it’s out there. We think it’s objective reality. It’s not. It is largely a projection of our inner reality.

 

00;08;46;21 – 00;08;57;17

Dawson Church

And you want to shape your outer reality. Just start with that inner world of yours. Your thinking. It’ll change your brain, and then you’ll see it working out in the outer sense.

 

00;08;57;19 – 00;09;21;08

Lauren Brollier Newton

So I love this speaking my language. I have chills, as you’re mentioning Rumi and Mary Oliver, and, I consider them friends because I’ve read them so many times. Tell someone. So when you’re saying take control of the channel changer for someone that that feels challenging for, like, how do I take the channel changer and put it in my own hands and get my mind on the channel I want to be on?

 

00;09;21;12 – 00;09;30;10

Lauren Brollier Newton

Do you have some beginning, practical, easy advice for someone who says, I’d love to take control of my mind and my own inner world, but doing that seems like a challenge.

 

00;09;30;12 – 00;09;51;18

Dawson Church

What is a challenge? Because our our brains are that structure. That way our brains are structured by 14 billion years of evolution to pay attention to us. Wrong in psychology is called the negativity bias. And like I’m having a sit down from, cup of tea and if there was a crack in this cup and a hell it up there, you know, I would go right away to the crack.

 

00;09;51;18 – 00;10;11;25

Dawson Church

They would not go to the cup as a whole. And that’s just the way the brain works. It focuses on the flow, and the flow is what’s wrong in the cup. What’s wrong in your spouse? What’s wrong in your job? What’s wrong in your body? What’s wrong in the world around you? That’s why they’re all saying in news is if it bleeds, it leads.

 

00;10;11;27 – 00;10;34;11

Dawson Church

And so news broadcasts are all about what’s going wrong in the world. We pay scant attention to what’s right because our ancestors had to notice the bad stuff around them. If they failed, notice the bad stuff around them. They got weeded from the gene pool. So the happy people didn’t make it. The ones who were highly paranoid. Oh, that means to the next generation.

 

00;10;34;17 – 00;10;56;14

Dawson Church

Rinse, repeat a million times. And you have you and me take. Well, I mean, it’s basically I’ve done several clinical trials of people’s cortisol levels, and it amazes me. I’ll take a sample of somebody sitting in a beautiful hotel room, a luxurious five star environment. I’ll take their cortisol sample and I’ll send it to the lab and get it back.

 

00;10;56;16 – 00;11;19;19

Dawson Church

And their cortisol looks like they are in Jurassic Park being chased by Tyrannosaurus rex. I mean, they have a super high cortisol level that’s suitable for an archaic environment, and they have nothing to worry about in their lives. Really? That’s threatening. This is vital. So we have this brain that predisposes us to find whatever’s wrong, whatever’s bad. And so you say this is terrible.

 

00;11;19;19 – 00;11;47;07

Dawson Church

It’s causing the anxiety, depression. I need to get away from this negative thinking. You close your eyes and try and meditate, and, you call on your mind. This goes back to the negative. So when you ask for the practices are to break the negativity bias, it is a it is a tough mother. It is hard to break because our brains are wired that way, that what neuroscience is discovering now and again, neuroscience is just in the tiptoeing through the door.

 

00;11;47;07 – 00;12;16;20

Dawson Church

This discovery would have had way more science coming about about this in the next 50 years. We’re realizing that when we do use those practices that break that pattern, break that trauma loop, break that negative thinking pattern in our minds and brains when we use them, the brain begins to remodel itself. And with the most effective evidence based ones, if remodels itself really quickly.

 

00;12;16;23 – 00;12;39;08

Dawson Church

The way that I use this myself is I, in 2009 as a conference, there all kinds of wonderful keynote speakers there. And Roland Equity was there from Hard Math. And Joe Dispenza was there doing his, body based meditations. We had people from the FP world there, and they were all recommending their approaches. And, I loved all of them.

 

00;12;39;08 – 00;13;00;13

Dawson Church

I really enjoy all of those techniques. And one day I said to myself, you know, I like all of these things. What would happen if I simply did them all sequentially, one after the other? So I’ll do some tapping now, I’ll do some neurofeedback, and I’ll do some self-hypnosis, and I’ll do the quick coherence technique for hard math.

 

00;13;00;15 – 00;13;12;28

Dawson Church

I’ll do. So I did this whole stack of different things, and I found when I did them together, it took about 5 to 7 minutes, and I dropped into the deepest state of meditation I’d ever been in.

 

00;13;12;28 – 00;13;13;24

Lauren Brollier Newton

Wow.

 

00;13;13;26 – 00;13;40;28

Dawson Church

Meditating at that point for many, many years. Every day without missing a day. But that mixture of that stack of science based methods took me deeper. So I then said to the cannabis organizer, can I do this with a whole group? And she let me she just impromptu let me do the whole thing. And I, I watched the entire group of people, hundreds of people sitting in the audience, all going to these deep states, all kind of to simultaneous heart coherence together.

 

00;13;41;00 – 00;14;02;01

Dawson Church

And the group effect kicked in. So it’s amazing what we can do when we do evidence based techniques like that. I label it eco meditation, eco meditation, and oh, we have millions of people all over the world who are doing eco meditation. But that’s the very, very basic practice because it combines all of these evidence based techniques, puts you into that.

 

00;14;02;01 – 00;14;25;09

Dawson Church

It breaks the negativity bias. Let’s see if that positive frame of mind really, really quickly. From there, you go to the other things, and the other things work much better if you’re in that relaxed but alert neurophysiological state. So that’s really what you want to get to. You want to use evidence based techniques, don’t just go and follow, a technique because somebody recommends that it may work for them.

 

00;14;25;11 – 00;14;45;21

Dawson Church

You need to get into the things that have worked for a lot of people that it showed being science based. And so these meditation works, all of these things work individually biofeedback, neurofeedback, tapping, coherence, all of those things by themselves are great. But stack them all together, use them systematically, and you can break that brain’s negativity bias.

 

00;14;45;24 – 00;15;06;11

Lauren Brollier Newton

That’s so powerful. So have you found that when you stack it. So let’s say someone is a complete novice at meditating, and they’re one of those people who they try to meditate and they’re like, nope, the negativity is still going fast. Do you find that stacking it makes it helpful for the for that person as opposed to just like trying to put on a guided meditation or something like that?

 

00;15;06;14 – 00;15;27;28

Dawson Church

Well, the, the, the guided version of it is is best for a while. Okay. Along the while is is different for different people. But like I know people who’ve been meditating their whole lives, try it using the guided version and find it really sharpened and deepened. Their meditation unit, they’re lifelong meditators, so, it’s good to have the guidance initially.

 

00;15;28;02 – 00;15;48;16

Dawson Church

Yeah. While if you’re an experienced meditator, after a few months, you’ll find the guidance are necessary if you’re a novice. Like, I just talked to a woman in one of my classes the other day and she she took I recommend people do it for 30 days straight, because 30 days we’ve shown in, study published in a top tier journal and this was using MRI.

 

00;15;48;16 – 00;16;09;10

Dawson Church

It’s look at brain anatomy. We found it after 30 days and it literally changed the anatomy of those people’s brains. So that 30 days is like the the beginning of anatomical change in the brain. But this woman took the 3030 day challenge and, I so I’m so glad you took the challenge. And you know what they are you on?

 

00;16;09;12 – 00;16;31;17

Dawson Church

She said, oh, more than a thousand days. Maybe more for the three years now. There’s this today. Wow. That’s because of that addictive nature of this meditation. You feel so good. You’re liberating all this THC in your brain. You’re having getting a lot of serotonin. But I don’t mean hits in your brain. You feel really good. And that’s why people tend to keep doing it.

 

00;16;31;24 – 00;16;37;17

Dawson Church

And then after you get to that state, you don’t need the guidance anymore. You can do it any time, any, any place.

 

00;16;37;17 – 00;16;42;28

Lauren Brollier Newton

Beautiful. So where do people find eco meditation? If they wanted to do the guided version.

 

00;16;43;00 – 00;17;00;19

Dawson Church

Just download Beacon meditation.com. It’s free. Perfect. Oh, you come to the com download. The basic track is free. There are a lot more varieties and flavors of it, but it’s all inside timer. I have a bunch of, tracks there. I’m on other people’s apps. I have tracks there. So, yeah, it’s all over the place.

 

00;17;00;20 – 00;17;21;19

Lauren Brollier Newton

That is so cool. I’m so thrilled about this. So I wanted to ask you if from mind to matter, because I’ve used this quote many, many times when I’m teaching or I’m training coaches or or with life coaching clients, it says your everyday superpower. It says with each thought you think. As you direct your attention, you’re signaling your brain to create new neural connections.

 

00;17;21;22 – 00;17;47;19

Lauren Brollier Newton

Use this power deliberately rather than allowing random thoughts to flow through your mind, and you start to consciously direct the formation of neural tissue. So if you were telling someone, so I’ve got this ego meditation, I’m doing that now. I’m just going throughout my day. I’m busy, busy, busy. What are some ways to consciously direct the thoughts in my brain during the day when maybe I’m not going to stop and meditate, but I’m in the line at the grocery store, or I’m making my coffee, or I’m rushing from place to place.

 

00;17;47;24 – 00;17;54;15

Lauren Brollier Newton

What are some what would you suggest are how you would direct your thoughts in those moments?

 

00;17;54;17 – 00;18;19;01

Dawson Church

That is, the art of mindfulness and meditation is there to bring you to mindfulness. If you read some of the great the dating scriptures and the data is a 10,000 year old plus tradition that precedes all the world’s great religions. And, the doctor talks about meditation as training wheels and the training wheels are the life you are putting on these training wheels.

 

00;18;19;01 – 00;18;45;07

Dawson Church

You meditating in the morning and you’re starting your day. You’re framing your day in this positive way. In the meditation process, but it’s to train your brain to be that way all day long. 24 seven and in that study published in that top tier journal, people doing eco meditation, we measured their, brain function using a high resolution, state of the art MRI before and after 30 days.

 

00;18;45;10 – 00;19;12;26

Dawson Church

And we found that after 30 days that had these anatomical changes in the brain and this part of the brain, call the midwife frontal cortex right over here behind your eyebrows. That’s the part of the brain that governs self construction. You build your sense of self with that. It also that self that you build with that is intensely focused on the past and dreams of the past, warriors from the past and projecting those into the future.

 

00;19;12;29 – 00;19;35;27

Dawson Church

It’s all about the past, the future. And I in mind that’s that. That would be for the cortex that calmed way down in this group of people. And the part of the brain that lit up was the insula, which is the lobe that handles compassion, gratitude, happiness, or altruism. All of these positive emotions, that part of the brain is brightly lit.

 

00;19;35;29 – 00;19;58;15

Dawson Church

And those MRI scans were not done while people were in meditation. They were done when they were not in meditation. So at only 30 days, the thing part of the brain sliding down, taking with it the focus on past and future that put people into the present moment. The compassion, joy, gratitude and all. Part of the brain was brightly lit up in everyday life.

 

00;19;58;15 – 00;20;18;09

Dawson Church

So you want to meditate as practice for everyday life. After a while and again, it’ll differ from person to person. It could be in a month, it could be six months or a year or 25 years. We don’t know how it’ll be for you, but after a while of training meals or practice, that inner light you have starts to burn brightly all the time.

 

00;20;18;09 – 00;20;48;18

Dawson Church

And even in difficult circumstances, like after the like, after the fire, for example, my wife and I, the following day we escaped to, a hotel at the coast a long way away the following night, and it was a crazy night. The sun said it was blood red because of all the ash in the air. We couldn’t get any hard information because that all the emergency services had just been overwhelmed in the whole part of Northern California where we’re living then.

 

00;20;48;21 – 00;21;10;19

Dawson Church

And so we, we were really disoriented. We had no hard information about what to do, what was going on. We went to bed with this, this, this blood moon, staring at us. And we woke up the next morning. I said to her, Christine, it’s an emergency. We have to do something right now. We have to meditate.

 

00;21;10;22 – 00;21;33;25

Dawson Church

I mean, I take it in bed so they have in bed. Me meditated and it was like suddenly I felt my self dropping back into my body. I’d been dissociating for 24, 40 hours. I was back and I began to just reflect on the fire and all the photographs I had seen that our house was gone and just where we were feeling a sense of acceptance.

 

00;21;33;28 – 00;22;03;26

Dawson Church

And then that this okay, this is only a couple of days after the fire, I began to have humorous thoughts like, you know, there was stuff there that I hated in the house was I had to do that. I hadn’t crossed off my to do list for the last 2 or 3 years. I crossed them all off now, and I just found us, and I said, Heather, we have had a business goal for the last five years of having the paperless office.

 

00;22;04;00 – 00;22;28;03

Dawson Church

And guess what? There’s not a single paper left there anymore. So you were here. You were cracking jokes about this just a couple of days after. So. So again, we will you just get perspective when you do that. And it’s in everyday life. So you want to meditate, have those training wheels practice meditation. But again you build those structures strong and then you are able to bring that balance equanimity, joy.

 

00;22;28;03 – 00;22;45;28

Dawson Church

I mean, you just see joy all over the place. Like I was at the hospital getting my flu shot this morning, and I just smile at the person behind the desk and then at the nurse just just cracking jokes. But with a nurse who was, giving me the flu shot and just you just, you know, you become a beacon of goodwill in the world.

 

00;22;45;28 – 00;22;52;22

Dawson Church

And guess what? You smile and like the old song says, the world smiles.

 

00;22;52;24 – 00;23;11;11

Lauren Brollier Newton

That’s so true. It’s so true. I can notice, you know, so funny when you were talking earlier about how someone could be in a hotel room and their brain is with this going, so much cortisol being evident, even though they’re in this luxurious place is so funny. This morning, I just had a baby, six and a half weeks ago.

 

00;23;11;14 – 00;23;35;12

Lauren Brollier Newton

And so I have this newborn baby. He’s such a cutie. I got that a husband that I’m totally in love with. I get to do cool things all day. Like interview you on the podcast. And yet I was sort of rushing around this morning and right before this interview, I was going to fill up my big pitcher of, of, I have a homemade hydration drink that I make, and I spilled it in the refrigerator and I was like, oh, you know, and I’m like, this.

 

00;23;35;12 – 00;23;39;24

Lauren Brollier Newton

I’m rushing and I have to pump it. And I just got all,

 

00;23;39;26 – 00;23;40;28

Dawson Church

This regulated.

 

00;23;41;00 – 00;24;08;23

Lauren Brollier Newton

Yeah. Like down, like, oh, this is a horrible morning. And I had to rush around. Blah. And here I am. I live in the middle of the room. I have 360 degree views all around. A brand new healthy baby. And it’s so funny how even someone who’s practiced, I would call myself a very practiced thinker. How your brain wants to move to this is the worst day ever because I spilled juice in the refrigerator, you know, it’s like it’s so interesting.

 

00;24;08;23 – 00;24;26;15

Lauren Brollier Newton

And so I think I very much appreciate you talking about this concept of training wheels that stay on and that we can just keep exercising this part of our brain and growing. Now, the great news is, as I was doing that, I noticed it very quickly. Yes. Look how funny that is that you want to go to this with the juice.

 

00;24;26;17 – 00;24;45;01

Lauren Brollier Newton

It’s all good, but, But it is so funny how we’re kind of navigating. Merry will sometimes say that. It’s like you’re driving down a highway and you want to just keep staying in your lane and not drifting into the bank or drifting into the other lane of traffic. You’re kind of navigating that with your brain. It at all times.

 

00;24;45;03 – 00;25;05;23

Dawson Church

Yes. I want to correct over and over and over again. So you write over and over and over again and after a while correcting. So you spill a drink, you go down that negative rabbit hole and you catch yourself. Now the first time, you might only catch yourself one time in ten, but then after a while you catch yourself three times in ten, after while you have yourself all the time.

 

00;25;05;25 – 00;25;12;19

Dawson Church

After a while, it’s interesting. We were, having dinner at a restaurant with Sonia Shawkat. At any she is.

 

00;25;12;19 – 00;25;14;23

Lauren Brollier Newton

I love her. Yeah.

 

00;25;14;26 – 00;25;36;11

Dawson Church

She is one of the most dear, lovable human beings on the face of the planet. And we were having my wife and I were having dinner with her in a restaurant, and and, a, a waiter dropped a huge tray full of dirty dishes. I mean, it was this this is a massive tray, and it just shattered on a concrete floor.

 

00;25;36;14 – 00;25;51;20

Dawson Church

And it was so interesting. You can see the meditators in the room because it’s like, oh, okay, that happened. And then go back to the conversation. Other people were like, oh my God, what? What’s going on? It’s a terrorist attack.

 

00;25;51;22 – 00;26;14;06

Dawson Church

So after a while, you just have such equanimity that nothing really disturbed to, you know, do bad things happen? Absolutely. There’s still tragedies and mistakes and problems that go on in your life, but your inner state is unperturbed. Your mind is undisturbed. What we see in the brain is really interesting. What you see in the brain. The other essential technique is, is tapping.

 

00;26;14;09 – 00;26;44;13

Dawson Church

Tapping is or transitory distress during the day. So something bad happens. Like if you do get excited about the plate dropping, plates dropping, then you tap on acupressure points that regulates you. But what we see in the brain is the limbic system, the memory, learning and emotion processing part of the brain of the center of the brain. Really important set of structures that the hypothalamus, thalamus, hippocampus, amygdala, and in people who are reactive, that part of the brain is getting turned on all the time.

 

00;26;44;20 – 00;27;08;04

Dawson Church

Yeah, that gets triggered over and over and over again. So for example, in veterans with PTSD or people with PTSD, they have giant make lists. It’s like you’ve been working out your biceps and triceps on that, machine of the gym for the last five years, and you have massive muscles. Well, they’re massive muscles are there, except it’s on the amygdala, which is the brain’s alarm system.

 

00;27;08;06 – 00;27;34;27

Dawson Church

And now they got giant amygdala. And and now you’re far more sensitive to the bad stuff because you’ve got all this neural capacity for perceiving it in the people in these studies. And monks, nuns, people with long term meditation practices, the amygdala atrophies, it shrivels. You just have this error piece that is so pervasive that it just spreads all around you.

 

00;27;35;03 – 00;27;53;04

Dawson Church

We’re also studying people who get well doing this long term. So these are people are doing it for that thousand days, but they’re doing it now for many, many, many, many years. And one of the cool things we’re finding is that light dawns and initially that light is an inner light. You feel a light in your heart. You feel a light in the center of your forehead.

 

00;27;53;04 – 00;28;17;21

Dawson Church

You feel the light in your brain and around your body. After a while, you start to project light. We find the people who are living in this space of love, equanimity, kindness. Like my my wife, for example, when she just met, I just see her from 100ft away. Sometimes I just see this, this glowing, glowing, angelic being.

 

00;28;17;23 – 00;28;42;06

Dawson Church

Just life just pours out of her. Many of my friends like that. We we we get close to them. You just feel the energy of kindness and compassion and love radiating out of their bodies that they’re the light beings. In a little sense. Yeah. So what happens after a while? Initially, it’s an inward light. After while you walk around the world and the world gets happier just because you’re in the room.

 

00;28;42;12 – 00;29;02;22

Lauren Brollier Newton

I love that, I love that, and I’ve experienced being around people who you have that feeling with. Mary Morrissey being one of them. I can see that with you being another. It’s like there’s just this pervasive joy that you can’t help but feel when you’re around them. You know, it’s interesting that you say this, in 2023, I had a miscarriage.

 

00;29;02;22 – 00;29;34;23

Lauren Brollier Newton

I lost a baby, and it was at the human level, very heartbreaking. But I always shared with when I was ready to tell the story that it was also, and probably because I’ve been practiced at meditating and using my mind and all of that, it was also the most spiritually uplifting time of my life because I could see within, I would say like the veils were very thin around that time, if that’s an expression I could use, and I could see all the meaning behind it and the beauty of it, and I could even I remember the day that it happened.

 

00;29;34;25 – 00;29;50;04

Lauren Brollier Newton

This is a first world problem, but it happened. I went to the emergency room with my husband, and when we came home, we were going to come home. And I said, our house cleaners are at the house. I really don’t want to go home right now. Can we go to Yellowstone? Because we live right outside Yellowstone National Park.

 

00;29;50;06 – 00;30;15;12

Lauren Brollier Newton

As my husband and I were driving to Yellowstone, I, a blue bird flew right in front of our windshield. And for me, a blue bird is just my own personal spiritual symbol. And my husband said he knows I. He said, did you see that? And I said, oh my gosh, yes, I saw that. And then every mile marker for five miles afterward, there was a bluebird sitting there, and I knew, like, when does that ever happen?

 

00;30;15;12 – 00;30;35;10

Lauren Brollier Newton

It was a cartoon. And but I knew spiritually that this was my sign that everything was going to be okay. And I actually cried tears of joy because I knew that this was all happening in coordination and I never would have, I’m sure, had that experience had I not been, you know, practiced at these very things that we’re speaking of.

 

00;30;35;10 – 00;30;58;18

Lauren Brollier Newton

That leads me to a story or leads me to a question I want to ask you. You talked about spiritual intelligence before we started recording, and I wanted to ask you the question. It’s interesting that you are so deep into the research and the neuroscience and you’ve, you know, done all these scientific studies and MRI’s and things of that nature and yet so spiritual.

 

00;30;58;20 – 00;31;20;08

Lauren Brollier Newton

And I think that we find sometimes in medicine or research that it’s like, here’s where science ends. And here’s where science begins, and God is this other concept. But I’ve always seen them as perfectly intertwined. So I’d love to hear from someone who’s so researched, so studied. Where does God end in the brain begin? Or is there?

 

00;31;20;08 – 00;31;33;05

Lauren Brollier Newton

No, there is no creation. Like, I’d love to hear how you come into this high level of spirituality in a scientific model. I that’s my I guess that’s the best way I know how to ask that question.

 

00;31;33;08 – 00;32;15;14

Dawson Church

Yeah, well, spirituality and, so let me just back up to the perennial philosophy. That term was coined by Aldous Huxley a century ago for the underlying truth behind all the world’s religions and great spiritual and philosophical traditions. He called that the perennial philosophy and the perennial philosophy that you mentioned, after you mentioned your miscarriage, that the veil was thin and the veil is thick for most of us in everyday life, but it’s thin sometimes when there’s a death, when there’s a birth, whether it’s a marriage or a big celebration, the veil is thin for for a while, and we really want to take advantage of those times, too, as shamans do.

 

00;32;15;14 – 00;32;34;22

Dawson Church

They step through the veil, and then they bring that wisdom and that love and that compassion and that that understanding through into their everyday life. And if if you can use a death that way, if you can use any kind of profound tragedy, grief, or loss or try it that way to bring in that wisdom, it’s so powerful.

 

00;32;34;25 – 00;32;58;04

Dawson Church

And the perennial philosophy has three tenets. What is that? We live in a world of change, and the world is changing all around us. Our bodies are changing. Our lives change. People live and die. Countries come and go. Even planets have a birth and death. Suns, galaxies all, all change that. We’re living in this world of change.

 

00;32;58;06 – 00;33;26;15

Dawson Church

The perennial philosophies. Second tenet is that underneath this change, there is the unchanging, the eternal. And then the third tenet is the purpose of our lives. The only reason we exist as conscious beings is to bring the two together, to become conscious of the fact of this underlying reality, and have a relationship with it. So that’s really why we’re here.

 

00;33;26;19 – 00;33;53;15

Dawson Church

Why we’re here is not to accomplish things, is not to amass money or fame or fortune or any number of possessions. We’re simply here to do that. Everything else in your life is irrelevant. But pretty much, I mean, it may seem like a harsh thing to say. Nothing else in your life matters at all other than your experiences with the the eminent, with the with consciousness itself and mind to matter.

 

00;33;53;15 – 00;34;22;19

Dawson Church

I show that there are four fundamental forces of physics. Underlying them all is a single force, the great unifying force of consciousness. And we as individual human consciousness can touch, interact with, and participate in that great universal consciousness. And that’s really the purpose of, of our lives. Now, what science does is it measures, changes. It’s like, you know, I want to know how far it is between the the floor of my office and the ceiling.

 

00;34;22;19 – 00;34;43;09

Dawson Church

I grab a tape measure and I measure that. I want to know if a piece of clothing fits me. And since I’m six foot five and, it’s got to be a two extra large. So, if we measure things, science does that mean we don’t? We know the boiling point of water is 212 f and recede because we measure those things, science measures those things.

 

00;34;43;09 – 00;35;14;12

Dawson Church

And what we now turn science to doing. We used to measure a lot of external things. We now turn science to measuring shifts in physical, material, that material world that happened as a result of changes in consciousness. When you meditate, what happens? Like one simple example I gave in mind to matter is how cortisol shifts. I calm myself, I do the tapping, or I meditate, or do both, or relax in some other way.

 

00;35;14;15 – 00;35;44;08

Dawson Church

And literally I am changing the expression of genes in my body, and I am then reducing my production of cortisol, a shift in consciousness, a shift in mind, the shift in awareness is producing a shift in the material world. And science measure those things so we can’t measure consciousness directly. We can, we can measure its effects in our bodies, in our societies, the Maharishi effect.

 

00;35;44;10 – 00;36;10;28

Dawson Church

But people are very familiar sometimes with the 70s research on the Irish effect showing that when enough people and the number that the Transcendental Meditation movement used was 1% of the population is doing TM, that there’s a reduction in violent crime reduction, automobile deaths, there was a reduction in emergency room visits. All kinds of things change out there when just a small subset of, society traders in here.

 

00;36;11;01 – 00;36;36;11

Dawson Church

So that’s what science can measure. Now, we can’t we can’t measure consciousness directly. That in my new book just coming out, it’s not anywhere near coming out now, but it’ll be there in about a year. And it’s will spiritual intelligence and I predicting that we will start to measure considers itself. And the reason I suspect this is going to happen.

 

00;36;36;13 – 00;37;08;16

Dawson Church

And we’ll be having, departments at major universities in, say, 50 or 100 years. Measuring this is because when I, I, for example, was sitting with a, a devout Hindu woman a couple of weeks ago, and we were talking about our experiences in meditation. And I’m not Hindu and she is. And yet, as we compared where we go in deep meditation, it was the same place I was with a novelist, a Jewish man, sitting with him and talking about meditation.

 

00;37;08;16 – 00;37;38;22

Dawson Church

Where does he go? We’re all mystics. Mystics all go to exactly the same place. We then come back and practice Christianity or Buddhism or Judaism or Hinduism or Daoism or something else. Not that place in consciousness is one. It’s one quietness. It’s it’s us as individual human consciousness participating in this universal consciousness. I know these are massive, human, massive ideas, and I’ve written a whole book about them, and even that just barely scratches the surface.

 

00;37;38;24 – 00;37;58;06

Dawson Church

But, that’s that’s that’s the short answer where science comes in, science measures things, right? Not science can’t measure consciousness. Science can certainly measure where my cortisol goes when I join my individual local consciousness with universal consciousness and the massive effects it has on my health and longevity.

 

00;37;58;08 – 00;38;28;28

Lauren Brollier Newton

Yes. Beautiful. Oh my gosh. So tell me about. So I’m thinking about coaches. So many of our coaches, our life coaches. They are doing some sort of healing. They might be EFT practitioners or some of them are more real estate coaches, business coaches, things of that nature. And I know for many of our life coaches or our more healing arts type coaches, they want to take this work to businesses or, places where maybe this work doesn’t exist.

 

00;38;28;28 – 00;38;35;20

Lauren Brollier Newton

And one of the things that they fear or they feel a little bit nervous about is they’re going to think it’s just woo woo.

 

00;38;35;23 – 00;38;38;02

Dawson Church

 

00;38;38;07 – 00;39;00;23

Lauren Brollier Newton

And so for a coach who’s not, you know, a PhD or a brain researcher or something like that, where would you suggest? I mean, I would suggest get Dawson’s books, because that’s where I got a lot of my knowledge and learning and, you know, well versed myself when I was a coach. But where are some of the places you would suggest they go or start to be able to talk about this in a way that they don’t feel like, oh, this is just spiritual.

 

00;39;00;23 – 00;39;08;06

Lauren Brollier Newton

It’s just woo woo that there’s a place where the research and the spiritual combine in order to be able to share their work with the world.

 

00;39;08;09 – 00;39;30;21

Dawson Church

Yeah. Like there are devices that will measure our bio field, measure our aura around our bodies. And there are devices that will measure esoteric phenomena. I don’t use any of those things. All I use is gene expression genes turning on and off MRI is genes. I really want to know what’s going on with your hormones or your hormones or your stress hormones going up or down.

 

00;39;30;24 – 00;39;55;28

Dawson Church

So, yeah, I mean, I certainly write about these things, like conscious in my books, but when I’m going to go see a hospital like this, for example, the third Veterans Administration hospital just contacted us and said, Will you train our people? Now, this is amazing because, a decade ago, we were regarded as being so woowoo. There was no chance the VA would touch us with a marshmallow.

 

00;39;56;00 – 00;40;17;03

Dawson Church

Now they’re asking us to train their clinicians inside the VA, but I don’t go in there. Talk to them about radial philosophy and about, about consciousness and the four forces of physics. I talk to them about cortisol. They know that the veterans levels of stress are high. The levels of cortisol are high. That means their level of hospitalization is high.

 

00;40;17;06 – 00;40;39;18

Dawson Church

Their disease level is high, the susceptibility to heart disease and cancer and diabetes and all these other other things is off the charts. And so we can measure those things scientifically and show them, yes, the evidence for that. So when I or one of my, certified practitioners goes into go talk to the VA, what we will do is we’ll talk about cortisol and we’ll talk to them about brain scans.

 

00;40;39;18 – 00;40;57;22

Dawson Church

We’ll talk to them about the MRI research and about neurotransmitters, because that’s language they can understand. And it also makes perfect medical sense to them. You want to be healthier though. You don’t necessarily want to talk about consciousness. Now what’s going to happen eventually. Hopefully you become interested in what is it that’s triggering this. And you may go there eventually.

 

00;40;57;25 – 00;41;22;10

Dawson Church

But the reason people should go there is just for health alone. Just one study I quote often is, study of 68,000 people published in the British Medical Journal comparing optimists to pessimists. And they found that people who have an optimistic frame of mind again, there has a slow burn down in the fire. The economy tanks, and they tank with it.

 

00;41;22;12 – 00;41;52;14

Dawson Church

They have a miscarriage. They lose their money, their pension plan shrinks, and everyone else does. These optimists don’t have any better lives than the pessimists. They just see the world as the glass is half full rather than half empty. And so that does not produce a major shift in the moment. Maybe their cortisol is a little lower as a result, but it also always a little lower Monday and Tuesday and Wednesday and Thursday and February and December and the next year and the following year.

 

00;41;52;17 – 00;42;16;07

Dawson Church

It’s cumulative when they get into their 60s, 70s and 80s, those optimists live ten years longer. And the pessimists. So that negative thought you’re having now, it’s not like it’s going to strike you dead in the next moment, that it’s going to shorten your life by a decade. Unless you learn to regulate that negative emotion.

 

00;42;16;09 – 00;42;27;26

Lauren Brollier Newton

I love this. So that brings me back to a question I wanted to ask you earlier when you were talking about veterans with PTSD have a really large amygdala. Can that be reversed?

 

00;42;27;28 – 00;42;52;20

Dawson Church

Absolutely. And reversed quickly? One of the great things about brains is that they have no tolerance for any neural pathways. It’s like, use it or lose it. It’s, you know, you learn French in high school, you haven’t studied for 30 years. You forgot a lot of your French because those neural pathways have been activated. If you have if you’re learning compassion, if you’re learning joy, you’re learning kindness, you’re learning gratitude.

 

00;42;52;20 – 00;43;17;29

Dawson Church

And oh, that’s wonderful lighting up all of those neural pathways. And even if used to be a angry person and a resentful person and a negative person, within three weeks the brain notices, she’s not using those neural pathways anymore. If she doesn’t use them soon, we’ll just start disassembling them and turning them into something else, and the brain starts to degrade.

 

00;43;17;29 – 00;43;57;29

Dawson Church

Neural pathways within three weeks of disuse. So the amygdala shrinks. Another part of the brain that shrinks. And people who are meditators, long term meditators is the nucleus accumbens, a piece of tissue that’s filled with doping receptors and dope. Mean is the brain’s reward neurochemical highly active in addictions to fentanyl, cocaine, heroin, even chocolate. There is a, activation of the dopamine pathways and the brain’s nucleus accumbens in these people who are addicts, that part of the brain grows in people who are meditators.

 

00;43;57;29 – 00;44;22;00

Dawson Church

That part of the brain shrinks. So if you were an addict and you just now become a meditator and you’re no longer being driven by your compulsions, that part of the brain is getting smaller. After a while, those behaviors start to drop very naturally. You just don’t. It’s like, you know, the muscles to lift this bar anymore. You don’t have the neurons to send that signal anymore, and your brain changes and your life changes.

 

00;44;22;00 – 00;44;44;16

Lauren Brollier Newton

Wow. So powerful and just so cool. Like just what magnificence. Our bodies, our bodies are just so magnificent. So I wanted to hear about, a story that I’ve, I’ve, I think I’ve read about a thousand times in your book, mind to matter. And that’s the story of Adeline and the Healing stars and so I love this story.

 

00;44;44;16 – 00;45;05;26

Lauren Brollier Newton

And you talk you tell a couple of different stories with in mind to matter about people who have a certain disease, especially in particular cancer in Adelson’s case. And you go and they have a what, what is medically called a spontaneous remission. What’s interesting about Adeline story is it’s a place where you talk about everything that she did was changing her energy.

 

00;45;05;29 – 00;45;24;21

Lauren Brollier Newton

So taking the long baths, walking in the redwoods, imagining healing stars, you know, popping those cancer cells. You said that everything that she did was actually changing. I don’t know if this is the correct word, but her energetic field. So if you’d be able to share Adeline story, if you’d be willing. And then why did that work so well for her?

 

00;45;24;23 – 00;45;46;10

Dawson Church

Yeah, this is never left. But I met her and I heard a story a long time ago. And it has, as we were saying. And now I’m getting chills. I’m remembering her so clearly and that that that day I spent with her and hearing her story, and she was diagnosed with terminal cancer and metastasized all over her body.

 

00;45;46;12 – 00;46;12;15

Dawson Church

And her doctors gave her under six months to live. And this was early in the year as near the start of the year. And she lived in Santa Cruz County in northern California. And there are a lot of redwoods there. And she said, you know, they’ve given me six months or less to live. I don’t really want to do chemotherapy or radiation because she’d been around the medical profession enough to know what those did to the body.

 

00;46;12;15 – 00;46;30;19

Dawson Church

And she said, I don’t want to go that way. So she elected nothing whatsoever. She didn’t have any treatment at all. And she said, I’m just to have the best life possible in the six months. I’m just giving myself the nicest life. And she went, what do these long, long, long walks, hours sometimes going through the redwoods where she would lie in her bathtub.

 

00;46;30;21 – 00;46;49;07

Dawson Church

She she loves soaking in water so she would soak in the water. A little bit of water. But what about more hot water in? And she’d imagine these healing stars flying through the ceiling, dropping down like raindrops through her body. And they had sharp edges, and wherever they would touch a cancer cell, she visualized it popping like a balloon.

 

00;46;49;09 – 00;46;50;17

Lauren Brollier Newton

Oh, I love that.

 

00;46;50;19 – 00;47;09;23

Dawson Church

I was doing this, this visualization. And she began to feel better, actually be able to feel stronger when she went back to the doctors in six months when she should have been dead, they found not a trace of cancer in her body, and I interviewed her many years after it was, and she’d been cancer free for that whole time.

 

00;47;09;23 – 00;47;30;21

Dawson Church

So her mind, her visualization without any kind of guy, she didn’t want to follow any teacher or any particular regimen she was able to, by shifting her consciousness, had this dramatic effect on her body. And I love that story because, it shows us how powerful it can be. I also don’t want to I just portion people as well.

 

00;47;30;21 – 00;47;56;24

Dawson Church

I say, hey, you know, that happened for Adeline. It doesn’t happen for everybody the same way. Sometimes people’s bodies are really compromised. And what’s most healing for them? Like my mother had died of cancer and, she went through this massive emotional healing process the last few months of her life, and she died. But she dialed. I’d feel that she’d heal the early she’d gone and made peace with all the people of her past, or who she’d hurt or it hurt her.

 

00;47;56;27 – 00;48;05;02

Dawson Church

And it was powerful to see her go through this whole process. So it’s not whether we heal physically, it’s whether we heal emotionally and spiritually that really counts.

 

00;48;05;04 – 00;48;23;24

Lauren Brollier Newton

Yes. And I think we’re all guided intuitively to what is if we listen, I’m Gandhi said the voice of truth is only as loud as our willingness to listen to it. So I think you will know and feel guided to what is calling to you in terms of your own healing journey. So yes, we can’t duplicate anybody else’s healing journey for sure.

 

00;48;23;27 – 00;48;52;26

Lauren Brollier Newton

So Matt Boggs is our the executive director here, and he is, the co-founder of our coach Certification division. And he’s a huge fan of your work. So last night I texted him and I said, guess who I’m interviewing tomorrow? Is there a question that you want me to ask him? And he said. Yes. If you could please ask what scientific research or experiments that you’ve either, created or observed or read about best demonstrated the power of intention?

 

00;48;52;28 – 00;49;15;25

Dawson Church

Yeah, that is, an interesting one. The power of intention. And a lot of our intentions are subconscious. So we have outcomes, intentions. We have a subconscious intentions. And for most people they are not aligned. And so, for example, we have a weight loss program. And we’ve had thousands of people go through that. We’ve done, two clinical trials of our program and colleagues of us have had similar programs.

 

00;49;15;25 – 00;49;47;10

Dawson Church

They’ve done other trials of theirs, and there are many studies of EFT tapping for weight loss now. And what they show is that people come in with this intention of losing weight, that the average woman not get these numbers lower, and they’re actually astonishing. The average woman in western Western society, over the course of her lifetime, loses and regains her entire body weight nine times over nine times over.

 

00;49;47;12 – 00;50;11;08

Dawson Church

The average woman spends over $250,000 over the course of her lifetime. And all kinds of things, from gym memberships to, cosmetic procedures, all kinds of supplements to try and lose weight. So, and it’s what we find. And in conventional weight loss methods, it’s usually people, light up heavier two years later than they are when they first begin.

 

00;50;11;08 – 00;50;38;13

Dawson Church

They do lose weight, but then they gain it all back again and then some. And so, what we find is that people have these cups intentions, like, I would lose weight, but then the what we call tail enders and the tail enders, I’ll say you, I’ll say that out loud to me. So the person says I my affirmation, my intention is that I effortlessly maintain my ideal weight.

 

00;50;38;15 – 00;50;46;00

Dawson Church

I say okay, and what’s running in your head after you say that? And there’s a little voice that says, in your dreams.

 

00;50;46;02 – 00;50;47;09

Lauren Brollier Newton

Oh yeah.

 

00;50;47;11 – 00;50;49;28

Dawson Church

That’s the real intention. That’s the true affirmation.

 

00;50;49;28 – 00;50;50;20

Lauren Brollier Newton

Yeah, that’s.

 

00;50;50;20 – 00;50;55;02

Dawson Church

That’s emotional power. So affirmations and intentions are absolutely coming true.

 

00;50;55;05 – 00;50;57;18

Lauren Brollier Newton

Not exactly the subconscious ones.

 

00;50;57;18 – 00;51;27;08

Dawson Church

So there’s this huge clash between our conscious and subconscious ones. And we call those tail enders. That’s the tail wagging the dog. And you have to identify what those tail enders are. You then work on releasing all of those. And NLP has a wonderful term which is congruent. When you do release all of those objections, then your intentions and your subconscious and conscious are permanently aligned behind your goals.

 

00;51;27;08 – 00;51;43;15

Dawson Church

That’s where you make progress. So that’s what you have to look out for. Everyone has these intentions. I’m going to work out. I’m going to be happy and healthy. I’m going to be, compassionate to those around me that take care of my body, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And then we go and act very differently from that most of the time.

 

00;51;43;17 – 00;52;14;05

Dawson Church

So there are these sub the subconscious programing, whether it’s response to threaten fear, whether it’s an ancestral trauma. They’re all kinds of reasons why people are not able to actualize their intentions. So when you are able to release all of the emotional energy in that sabotaging thought and you move into congruence, then you’re moving ahead. Now all the parts of self are moving ahead together, and that’s when you can see your intentions happening.

 

00;52;14;07 – 00;52;45;12

Dawson Church

The other thing that I teach differently in mind to matter is I did not call the book mind over matter, and a lot of intention and goal setting and visualization is all about I have to use my mind to produce this result and what I tell people to do instead is meditate, tune into your higher self, take a deep breath you into the universe and ask humbly, what is your highest intention for my life?

 

00;52;45;17 – 00;53;16;09

Dawson Church

Ooh, I can assure people that the intention that this infinite universe we live in, which is full of love and compassion and kindness and wisdom, has a much greater and more noble intention for your life than any little intention you can dream up on. You’re on your own, divorced from that great universal intention. So breathe, relax, meditate, tune in up there and then be that kind of a manifester.

 

00;53;16;10 – 00;53;38;11

Dawson Church

Don’t try and manifest stuff out of your own limited programing and consciousness. Manifest what God, the universe, what consciousness itself has in mind for you. For one thing, it’s much less effort. There’s much less sweat and toil involved. You’re just living a life of surrender and joy. You’re along for the ride at that point. And then, then, then spirit can work through you.

 

00;53;38;11 – 00;54;01;14

Dawson Church

If you’re surrendered. We no longer contract it and try to make things happen our way. We’re saying in the Latin the Catholic phrase no, no, this dominate, said dominate. Thy will be done as it is on earth as it is in heaven, in the words littlest prayer. And so we’re saying, you know, we surrender. I’m living a life of complete surrender.

 

00;54;01;16 – 00;54;25;08

Dawson Church

You universe, live your life through me. My job is to get out of the way. My job is to stop the little petty, mean, shortsighted, conditioned me from impeding the grandeur that you universe, are attempting to pour through my life. And when you do that, wow. Everything changes.

 

00;54;25;10 – 00;54;42;12

Lauren Brollier Newton

I love that you’re saying you’re along for the ride. You know, when I had the opportunity to come to Brave Thinking Institute, I owned my own business, I had employees, I had built this large coaching business. I’ve helped so many people. And when Matt and Mary said, do you want to come and work at Brave Thinking Institute, my human response was, no.

 

00;54;42;12 – 00;55;04;27

Lauren Brollier Newton

Why would I give up my own business? Why would I want to do that? And then I was in meditation and I heard very clearly, Lauren, what do you pray for? And I knew and I believe spirit speaks to us in ways that we understand personally. I knew I knew exactly what that meant. It was I didn’t I don’t pray to be a CEO of a company, a multimillionaire or whatever it is.

 

00;55;04;27 – 00;55;25;21

Lauren Brollier Newton

I mean, I had goals and visions, but ultimately I want to have the most impact on people before I leave this planet. I want to have a positive impact on the most people I can impact. And so when I heard, what do you pray for? I realized, oh, it doesn’t matter if you’re the CEO of your own company or if you’re at Brave Thinking Institute, if your spirit is calling you to make an impact in that way, go for it.

 

00;55;25;21 – 00;55;49;07

Lauren Brollier Newton

And so it was a completely spiritual decision to come to Brave Thinking Institute. And, I really, really want to honor that answer that you just gave that we can have all sorts of goals and intentions, but ultimately, if we get quiet and we listen to spirit, life, God, universe, whatever we want to call it, love, we will always find an answer that’s so much more life giving them what our human mind can produce.

 

00;55;49;07 – 00;55;50;12

Lauren Brollier Newton

Always.

 

00;55;50;15 – 00;56;08;13

Dawson Church

And you know, if you feel contracted, you don’t know if you’re feeling as though you’re clinging onto something and there’s any element of fear involved. That’s the human mind. If it feels expansive, it feels amazing to you. Take a deep breath as if you can relax into it. Then you know it’s universal mind thinking through you. And that’s that’s so powerful.

 

00;56;08;18 – 00;56;41;18

Dawson Church

Even when I write books, I’ll just let that that happen. And it’s really interesting to write a science book fact based. Every single word has to be exactly correct. There’s no leeway there. But again, I even breathe and meditate very deeply before each writing session. And even then, the universe just seems to bring things my, my way. Like in my book Spiritual Intelligence, I have this intuition that the brains of people globally, the average human brain, will be changing dramatically and significantly over the next few years.

 

00;56;41;18 – 00;57;10;17

Dawson Church

And I wrote that that chapter, like five years ago, there was no evidence of that whatsoever. But I was attuned to that possibility. A study was just published comparing brains that were scanned, people born in 1930 versus people born in 1970. It’s showing that the brain areas that are responsible for cognition, for compassion, for attention, for well-being are growing in very, very short order.

 

00;57;10;20 – 00;57;22;18

Dawson Church

The human brain is changing very rapidly. I think I was guided to that study as guide is the intuition is very, very long. So you just, you know, yes, it’s just a lot less of a struggle and things happen organically and they turn out to be in the flow.

 

00;57;22;21 – 00;57;50;25

Lauren Brollier Newton

I love that so much. So I want to ask you a question. Well, I have two more questions. This this question is one that I ask every guest that comes on this podcast. So if you were a coach, a life coach or perhaps an EFT practitioner who just got your certification, spiritual coach, a business coach, any kind of coach, if you were a coach starting your business from scratch right now, what would be the first move you would make in building your business?

 

00;57;50;28 – 00;58;13;24

Dawson Church

The first move I would make in building my business would be my own consciousness, and I would protect my own consciousness from negativity, not only initially, but all the way along. Because life has setbacks, things that always work out the way you want it to work out, and you don’t have control over the people. You don’t feel the world around you of the economy.

 

00;58;13;24 – 00;58;38;25

Dawson Church

There are so many things that aren’t on our control, but our consciousness is entirely under our control. So I would I would be extremely careful about my consciousness and what I found negativity creeping in and say I needed to make say, you know, x number of thousands of dollars a month for my coaching business to be viable. You’re needing that for your financial well-being, and it’s easy to contract.

 

00;58;38;27 – 00;59;09;28

Dawson Church

If that doesn’t happen, pay attention to your consciousness. How do I feel and how am I thinking? What’s going on inside here when things aren’t working out my preferred way out there. And so you keep on focusing on it’s energy, it’s consciousness, and then you, you get much more relaxed. So focus on keeping your awareness, your consciousness positive and relaxed and accepting self love and being in that state of flow.

 

00;59;10;01 – 00;59;29;08

Dawson Church

That’s really where the magic is that good things happen, bad things happen. And yet you internally have decided that again, you’ve taken that remote control. You’re clutching it firmly to your head. You’re pressing the happiness button every day for yourself and not letting external circumstances in your career or money affect your inner sense of well-being.

 

00;59;29;11 – 00;59;50;27

Lauren Brollier Newton

I love that I’m so 100%. Let’s sing that you know, go to the mountain tops and sing that because no amount of strategy is going to work if you’re not in a relaxed and easy state of consciousness. I have found that again and again with coaches that I’ve had the privilege of training, and I’m just like, yes, give a give the man a microphone and let’s go shout it everywhere we go.

 

00;59;50;29 – 00;59;59;23

Lauren Brollier Newton

Dawson. Tell us, tell, tell the audience where they can find you if they want to learn more. If they want to take some classes with you, where can they find you?

 

00;59;59;25 – 01;00;24;17

Dawson Church

This place is my website, Dawson. My name, WSO and Dawson. Gift. Gift.com. And that’s where you’ll find the F-2 mini manual. We can learn those tapping points. Also a guided eco meditation track you can use. And so there those two items there are Dawson, Jet.com. And then look at the top of the screen when you download those. Those are letters.

 

01;00;24;17 – 01;00;49;15

Dawson Church

There’s like 5000 pages of free content on our website. You’ll find there. And then look at practitioners. We have practitioners there. We have online courses. We have live courses. We have, all kinds of ways of getting into meditation, getting into it, a shift into various altered states, into tapping and, just browse and be guided, see what your higher self is guiding you to do.

 

01;00;49;21 – 01;01;05;10

Dawson Church

But there are a lot of resources through that. Dawson, Jet.com. The basic ones are the mini manual and the meditation. But again, beyond that there’s a whole wide world of stress reduction and it fits beautifully with what Mary does. And what everyone in the personal growth movement is, is doing.

 

01;01;05;13 – 01;01;19;12

Lauren Brollier Newton

I love it so much, Dawson. What a privilege and an honor it’s been to be with you. Thank you for the work you do in the world. Thank you for shining your light. Thank you for what you do for our veterans. And I do hope that you’ll come back and we’ll have a part two to get into all sorts of new things.

 

01;01;19;14 – 01;01;21;23

Dawson Church

Oh, I’d love to, but a privilege. And thank you.

 

01;01;21;25 – 01;01;25;12

Lauren Brollier Newton

Thank you.

 

01;01;25;14 – 01;02;02;09

Lauren Brollier Newton

Thanks for joining me this week on The Abundant Coach. Visit our website at Brave Thinking institute.com/coach certification, where you can dive even deeper with additional resources and exciting opportunities. Be sure to subscribe to the show on iTunes, Spotify, or wherever you listen to your podcast so you’ll never miss an episode. And while you’re at it, if you loved the show, please rate and review to find out how to jump start your abundant coaching career and more about my journey to seven figure coach, check out our free Meant to Be a Life Coach quiz available at bty.com/coach quiz.

 

01;02;02;11 – 01;02;04;08

Lauren Brollier Newton

I’ll see you in the next episode.